Stephen and Loura dig into how they’ve applied Joe’s concept of gaining wisdom in their lives and how they are striving to create their lives by design. They explore the connection between Joe’s approach to “cre-action” and other guests’ thoughts about manifestation and conscious awakenings.
Stephen Christopher 0:02
Hey there, how are you doing today? I hope you're having an absolutely fantastic day so far, whatever time of the day that you are listening to this right now. Welcome to today's episode of the exciting unknown podcast, or rocking the connect the dots from the episode with our interview with Joe Williams. I'm your host Stephen. I'm here with my awesome co host, Laura Sanchez, and welcome to today's show, Laura, how's it going?
Unknown Speaker 0:31
Stephen Christopher 0:32
Awesome. You almost hesitated there for a second were you trying to decide between? Which of all of the amazing words that you wanted to use to describe your day? Yes, I was trying not to use awesome because I use awesome a lot. So I was like, okay, what's another word that best describes how I feel? and fabulous? Was it? I love it? Yes. Isn't it funny? Like I know, we talked about intention.
And I think even in Joe's episode, we talked a little bit about like life by design. But isn't it interesting how we fall into these patterns, and we use just we use the same word over and over. But we don't necessarily always think about it. And so, again, having that awareness around, why are we saying what we're saying and actually choosing something that's, that's, I guess, more truthful or more in line with how we really feel.
I was thinking of the, the example of when you go to when you're checking in at the airport, and how when you get checked in and the person behind the counter says, you know, thanks so much have a great flight. And you say you, too, you too, just out of habit. Right? Every I always think about that, like, just remembering to be conscious about what it is that we're actually saying how it is that we're actually feeling in that moment, and not letting the the old patterns just control what we spit out. Because I'm like you I say awesome, a lot. And most of the time, I mean it, but a lot of times it's still programmed. Right. And you know, it also makes me think of, I think I read something that the average human has about seven to 10 emotions that they used to define how they're feeling. But in reality, there's something like 58 different emotions that we can feel as humans. And they're in it's not scales. It's not like, Oh, I'm happy, I'm really happy. I'm super happy.
It's not a scale, there are actually different emotions, you know, Joy versus happiness or feeling fabulous versus feeling excited or different things. But we don't generally, we're not that aware, to have that specificity in terms of one of our emotions are Yep, that was sidetracked. Nowhere. Yeah, my. Well, I mean, awareness. And mindfulness has been such a such a big thing lately, right? I mean, at least for me, specifically. And so I'm just constantly practicing. I'm constantly practicing being aware, and being conscious in the moments about what am I saying?
What am I thinking, What am I feeling and choosing to respond to things instead of just reacting? based on how I have in the past or what my patterns are? It just makes life a little bit more interesting to live a little bit more in the present. So yeah, anyways, really does circle back around to what Joe talked about in terms of kind of creating that life by design, that and a life that you want that's not influenced by just your past. But in which you you loot you use the things from your past, right? You use the rules, you've learned you the facts, right, because there are some facts that maybe they're not always in concrete, but but there are factual things.
But then you also blend that with the unknown, and the unseen and the bigger spirituality and that those two things together really do allow you to create the life that you choose, not just live what you believe you have to live. So I thought that was pretty powerful. That whole discussion that we had with him, which led to a whole lot of other different things as well. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when you get into the the bigger, overarching world of spirituality, right, which I also put things like intuition, and things like that, under that spirituality umbrella. But you look at somebody like Joe, who has done he's just he's lived in both worlds so well, and for so long.
I mean, he took a telecom public company public, when he was extremely young, then was in the Tony Robbins world as the head trainer for a long time. I mean, he was with Tony Robbins, I think for over two decades, and then has, you know, consciously exited that relationship. Did negotiation For these huge multi, I don't remember if some of them were billion dollar contracts, but I know they were at least into the hundreds of millions for big aerospace companies. And then went into now doing this on a scale, if you were to compare it this small business that they are the him and his wife are so passionate about with, you know, helping people become better communicators and helping people communicate these passions that they have in life.
So he's, he's done like, just this huge, wide scale of stuff and to listen to him talk about pulling from kind of both the spiritual world and the physical reality world that we live in. And then making decisions consciously, based on that information and choosing is just, it's always really eye opening, when I get the opportunity to hang out with Joe. Yeah, and particularly the fact that he was able to one thing that I liked about him was his ability to take some of those concepts and make them very concrete.
Right. And, you know, he talked about creation will create create activity, right? In, you know, the whole concept of your thoughts turn into things, and you know, that that whole process and the fact that he says, Look, I've done this in my life, I have intentionally done these five steps to make to create things in my life. You know, I think I imagination, intention, action that got them wrong, imagination, intention, attention, action and celebration.
I haven't had a chance to actually apply this. But but I think it's something that could be very valuable to anyone who's looking for an ability to bridge that gap between not bridge the gap to the bridge between your current reality and recognizing that there's something bigger out there.
And how do we tap into that? Yeah, yeah, I think with the whole, the the secret, the law of attraction manifestation, all that stuff that came out to us, I guess it's been over a decade now. But I think a lot of people missed the bigger piece of manifestation, which Joe talked about in the episode, which one of those big missing pieces is that action step?
Right. It's like, Okay, let me sit around and, and manifest $10,000? Well, the point that that a lot of people miss is, you do start by creating it in your head first, and you do start creating it, by feeling what it will feel like once it is already done. And that does draw that thing towards you. And it does draw you towards it at the same time. But what people miss is you also have to pay attention to these little signs, these little breadcrumbs that get laid out that are action items, and you actually have to take action on those and move towards it, at the same time while it is moving towards you.
And people miss that they think that I can sit on my couch and just think about what it's going to feel like and there's all these like glaring signs of Hey, call this person, go to this place, you know, go get this bank loan, I mean, whatever it is, right, all of those little steps are being laid out. You have to actually take action on those in order to meet the thing that you are, that you're working on manifesting halfway. And Joe talked a lot about that action piece. That is super, super important when it comes into, you know, this world of spirituality and manifestation and intention and creation.
Unknown Speaker 8:50
Yeah. And then I think the other thing was that then the,
Stephen Christopher 8:54
the the celebration is what he called it right, which is really just more of that thankfulness of like, okay, thank you for giving me that thought to reach out and call such and such or thank you to person who maybe just gave you that little push to begin writing that article that you've wanted to write, which now leads to being published somewhere, which then leads to an offer to speak, which then leads to such and such with that ultimately, you end up with that book deal. But it was that person who said, Wait a minute, why don't you just write this, like, send it to me tomorrow? And that caused you to do it?
And recognizing that that's how that process really happens? Yeah, yeah, the gratitude piece is huge. And for years, I was terrible at it. I always felt that I didn't deserve to give myself credit for these little steps along the way, and that I would give myself gratitude or I would I would allow some sort of celebration at the very end, but I didn't want to celebrate too early actually saw it as something like oh, well, it's fake. I'm celebrating too early. I don't deserve it. And what I've learned is that no, you must celebrate the little steps.
Along the way, you must give gratitude and be grateful for the little things as they unfold even like you mentioned, just the sign, or the breadcrumb of like, hey, call this person and when you call them, it leads to the next step in that thing that you're working on. Being grateful for all of those pieces is huge. And I would also go back to what you mentioned about not having tried or tested some of this since we did the interview with Joe, which that's actually incorrect. So when so you've actually done a really good job of it, whether it's consciously or not, because think about, you know, you and I've been working on something, we didn't know what it was for years.
It's a we we work really well together, we've done, you know, big stages together, we've spoken together, we've created little programs together. And so we've been working on how do we do more stuff together? And how do we take all of our knowledge that we've had it and, you know, deliver it and serve people and have some fun. And so since we've even done the interview with him, we've taken, you specifically have have also taken action on some of these things. And now we're ended up building this, you know, what's most likely going to be about a year long program, tell people be more fulfilled in their business?
So I would give yourself a little bit more credit this following Friday, this is freaky, because as we were talking about this, and you were talking about, oh, I don't really celebrate things very often. I was gonna say before, you said what you just said, I was going to say, Okay, wait a minute, we're going to take a step, right, we're going to take a moment. And we are actually going to celebrate the fact that we have been what you just said, we've been working for a few years trying to figure out something that was the right thing for us in terms of what we have and what we want to share. And we've taken a major step towards doing that, and putting together this program.
And so we need to be thankful for that, that sometimes, the process and how we got there, we weren't necessarily sure where we were going to end up. But we have followed those breadcrumbs. This podcast is one of those, I think, and look where it's leading us, which is very exciting. Thank you. Absolutely. So for thank Joe to as well, right for making us both see that Wait a minute, we have been on this road?
Yeah, yeah, I think that's a great one both for, for myself, for you and for, for people listening is giving ourselves a lot more credit for what we are doing, being a lot more thankful for. The things that we are creating in our life, and continuing to take those actions. And, you know, attention and intention when we talk about those types of things a lot. The one other thing, that's step one, and his process, which is imagination, is something that I actually have been intentionally working on more since we did the interview with him. And the way that it shows up for me is pretending like I'm a kid.
And so it's basically the the skill of wondering. So it's just like, or, as I, I tend to talk about a little bit more as pondering. And so it's just like allowing myself to just ponder random things. So when I'm outside, and I'm out in the world, I'm like, wow, like, how did that? Like? How did that light post actually get there? So you think about the, you know, Okay, so first there was a need for it, then somebody designed it, then it got built as a prototype, and then it got manufactured in some big factory, and then it got put on the giant ship. And then it went across the ocean, like, just, it's just really interesting to start thinking about, like, how do things get to where they are? Or why is that thing the way that it is?
And so this imagination piece has been really cool since the episode. And by just thinking about things like that, like how did the light post get there? It's made me a lot more open to imagination and creativity. So in day to day business, or just day to day life, I start to allow my mind to wander a little bit more and be a little bit more imaginative about like, Hey, this is working really well, is there a way to make your work better? Or just just how, how did all of this end up whatever this is, right.
So just being more imaginative, and approaching things kind of like as a five year old kid would tends to spark more creativity. And quite frankly, it's just kind of fun. I have a friend who who calls that insatiable curiosity, right, which is what kids have, right? We were saying the same thing of like, why does that work? I mean, you know whether you were a kid and you took things apart, right? Or you were a kid who was always like digging holes to see what was underneath then what happens if I pour water in here?
What happens if I eat it? Right? I mean, that's all based upon wonder or curiosity. But then the other thing I think that comes with that which ties into that action piece that Joe talked about is and you can always stop. Right? When you got two for you and your light pole at some point, you said, Okay, I got enough of that. Now I know how the poll got here.
Now, you probably could have continued on and made it more detailed, but you chose to stop. And I think oftentimes when we go down that creativity road, whether it's trying something new in business, like I can remember saying, Well, if this worked, why can't we take this concept and apply it over here in this particular area of our company. And I wanted it to work so badly. Because I started out with imagination, I started out with curiosity.
But then I got stuck with ego of like, well, I got to make this work. Now I got to keep I got to keep pushing it, I got to keep trying, as opposed to saying, you know what, whoops, tried, that didn't work. I'm gonna leave it there. And now go back over here. And a, we forget that we forget that we can quit just because you take a step just because you go down a road, doesn't mean that you're forever obligated to continue that that's the power of creating your own life is to say, Nope, that doesn't work for me anymore. Hmm. I love that.
Yeah, I'm reading a book right now, the five levels of attachment toltec wisdom with which, from what I understand is like a Native American tribe, from like, New Mexico region. But it's really, really cool. But they talk a lot about attachment, right? And so you get going down that path, we become attached to it, it becomes part of our identity. Our ego won't let it let us let it go. And it actually no longer serves us. So just bring your awareness to attachment. It's been it's it's a really cool book so far.
Oh, I'll have to have to check that one out. You know, because I think too, we've been talking about in other episodes, we've been talking about trauma. And we become attached to our definition of what that was. We become attached to those feelings of, well, when this happens, you have to feel x.
You know, I often think about this, this is going to be pretty controversial statement, I think. But I often think about it in the context of like the me to movement. And I am not minimizing at all what some women experienced, or continue to experience in terms of how they feel. But that attachment to that feeling that happened in that moment, doesn't mean that the next time a man says Hey, baby, you look really nice, that you feel you have to feel the same way.
Because it's a different experience. It's a different context. And it might even be a matter of saying, You know what, I feel powerful. I feel a power as a woman, of being able to evoke that kind of a response in someone, which is a very different response, then I feel minimized. I feel degraded. I feel sexually.
Unknown Speaker 18:14
What's the word I'm looking for?
Stephen Christopher 18:17
Not idolized, I feel sexually sex sexified or the word, as opposed to I feel powerful. But that is an attachment to an emotion that Yeah, when you felt that that one time? Absolutely. That was true. And you can't minimize it. But it doesn't mean you have to feel that every single time. Yep. Yeah, we get to choose how we react and respond to things and how we desire to feel or allow, allow those things to let us feel or how they make us feel. Right. Awesome. Um, anything else on your list from Joe?
Unknown Speaker 18:56
Yeah, one other thing? Because I think this is something that I struggle with. And I bet
Stephen Christopher 19:03
you probably struggle with it at times as well. Is he had I think what Joe said was, wisdom is being able to hold on to things that are paradoxically opposite at the same time. And that whole thing of and, or it's this or it's that I get to I get to be wildly successful and financially strong.
Or I get to be a stay at home mom and spend time with my kids. That's how most of us see the world. It is an either or, as opposed to wait a minute, it's a both. I get to be financially stable and highly successful. And I get to stay at home with my kids during the first five years of their life and be there for every crucial moment. And really believing that you get to do both of those.
I know Early in my career, I mean, I grew up in a generation in which I was told you can have it all. You can have a family and you can be a strong, powerful woman, and you could be successful, you can do anything you want. And I believe that that was true. And then I realized that, yes, you can have that all. But you can't have it all, every day at 100% all the time. And so for me that that wisdom came with, all right, I can have success at work and build an amazing career.
And I can give that my all for this amount of time. And I can have a family and I can rate up, I can raise a strong, powerful son, in this world over here. And sometimes I have to be here, and I have to be there, but I can't do it all all the time. And so I think that there's more to that. But all of us feel like we have to make choices of either or, and sometimes it's making a choice of both cloud that create a life by design, and, and maybe even just consciously paying attention to what word you're using, is it or or try to replace it with the word and and see what happens.
Unknown Speaker 21:21
Stephen Christopher 21:23
I love it. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for tuning into today's connect the dots episode where Laura and I recapped our interview with Joe Williams, and talk through some of the things that we've been implementing, and some of the things that we've learned and what has come out of it for us. And so we'd love to hear what have you implemented from episodes like Joe's and episodes of others, and what's coming out of it for you. So share that information with us. And until next time, make sure to tune in for the following, or the next episode of the exciting unknown podcasts. And until next time, embrace the exciting unknown.