Loura and Stephen discuss their takeaways from the prior episode with Karl Dettman. They explore why having fun is so important to them and how they’ve both learned to handle emotions both in and out of the workplace.
Stephen Christopher 0:02
Hey everybody, Stephen Christopher here with my awesome co host, Laura Sanchez for today's episode of connect the dots from the exciting unknown podcast and today, Laura and I are connecting the dots from our interview with one, Karl Dettman.
Unknown Speaker 0:19
Karl, one crazy fun guy.
Stephen Christopher 0:23
Yeah, Karl. You know, Karl's awesome for a lot of reasons. But one of the things that I love most about him is that he's, he's been very successful from a very, very, very early stage. I mean, he started a technology company, basically a web development company when he was 12. And actually grew it into a multimillion dollar business.
And then started a couple other things. And then, you know, went through the whole corporate world thing which a lot of us have done because we think that's what we're supposed to do realize it wasn't for him, like a lot of entrepreneurs do, and then went back into it. Basically being self employed or having control over his own work life. So he's been extremely successful over the years, but probably plays in life more than almost anybody I've ever met, or anybody, certainly anybody that we've interviewed.
And so it's living proof that it's possible. Not only possible, but actually by playing and in being your full self and experiencing, you know, emotions and having desires and stuff like that. It doesn't actually inhibit you on the success at scale, it actually makes you more successful. Yeah, I think that's one really cool. One of the really cool takeaways from the episode that we did with Karl,
Unknown Speaker 1:43
buddy, because what I was thinking about, you know, the interview and what I'd like to maybe tribal Rob, one of the things I wrote is to do more crazy shit. Yeah. I mean, in some of his stuff, you know, it's not necessarily that we talked a lot about that.
During our episode with him, but, you know, seen his social media posts and everything from, you know, boat surfing and rafting. I think he talked about, you know, going off grid in some canoe where basically there's nothing but your manpower to get you where you need to go. And I mean, just kind of having those adventures and those experiences. I was like, yep, I need more of that.
Stephen Christopher 2:24
Yeah. Yeah. And one of the ways to start to get there is what he does as far as like going out into the woods, taking a journal, and maybe starting with a question. And then just for a couple hours, allowing that to unfold, and being more curious about the path and kind of like, what's coming up and a lot of times really, really cool stuff gets created by that process. And I know for me, when I sit down with a journal, and no phone and no technology and no interruptions.
I might start with one question that I think I'm trying to solve. But I end up in like a whole nother continent or whole nother world with something that is way cooler that still actually a lot of times ends up kind of giving me the same thing or solving the same problem in a completely different way. And it's just that great reminder that oftentimes, what we think the problem is, or what we think we're trying to solve is actually not even close, you
Unknown Speaker 3:23
know, trying to get out when he was talking about that it reminded me I mean, how many times have we been in our companies, and we are, you know, maybe we're doing a planning retreat or something like that. And we think that what we're solving is x, right? And you start going down this road and you start digging deeper. And as you get into it, you realize that, oh, this isn't really about what we thought.
It's really maybe about a culture issue or we don't have our core values aren't aligned with how we've been doing business and we thought that We had an issue because we weren't having enough sales, for instance, right. Yeah. And so I equated it to the same thing in your personal life, right? Like, oh, I think my issue is, I'm not fulfilled in my job, hmm. And then you start going down that road and really digging into it. And you realize, wait a minute, this isn't about my job. It's about maybe how I'm doing my job, or it's about something like that. So,
Stephen Christopher 4:24
Yep, absolutely. Yeah, I think it, I think it's just important that we pull that at least for me that I pull out of this doing more fun and fulfilling things. And that is not a takeaway from the business world, or from the work world or the career or the success world. It's very much a compliment, and they're extremely intertwined. And so it's important to do both of those things at the same time. And not just the Okay, I'll do this one now. And then I'll come over here and do this one later. And then I'll do this one now and do this one later.
Unknown Speaker 4:56
And I think he even alluded to the fact that sometimes you he would start off, and the question that he was going to contemplate was about his business. Because that's easy, right? That way. For many of us, when we don't really want to do self reflection, it's easier to talk about work. It's easier to talk about this problem.
But if you really let it go where it's going to go, he said, oftentimes, it would end up being the outcome was something much more personal. Yeah. Right. Yep. And and as entrepreneurs, I mean, our companies are a reflection of us. Yep. And so make sure that you have that connection and that alignment to Yep, yeah.
Stephen Christopher 5:32
Yeah. And then the other thing that we're starting to see very much as a thread that is running through all of the pommel almost all of the podcast is this whole thing about emotions, experiencing emotions, allowing ourselves to experience those going deeper on them. You know, when Karl was in high school, he was the robot right there nicknamed the robot and he was either pissed or was it numb or something like that? Basically, it was like,
Unknown Speaker 5:58
Yeah, I was, I was numbed. 88% of the time and I was pissed 2% or something like that.
Stephen Christopher 6:03
Yeah. So somebody that went from that, to who he is now, which is a highly expressive, highly emotional individual, who is much more fulfilled and much more successful is just yet one more example of how true it actually is, and how the result is already there. Right? Because I think 20 years ago, or 30 years ago, you talked about this.
There wasn't very many examples of it actually being impactful. And so now we have enough examples over and over and over and over again, to follow these emotions and explore our own emotions a little bit deeper, and I believe that emotions are one of the things that makes humans so powerful is that we have our emotions, which is a guide, so when we're feeling frustrated, or why don't know just something like frustrated or angry or angsty, or something like that?
That's a guide telling us something about what's going on. And yet we're sitting over here trying to say, Okay, well, if I could just figure out what to do next. Or if I could just figure this thing out, well, we have these amazing things called emotions that are these guide. And if we just learn to listen to them more, and not push them down, there's our guide right there.
Unknown Speaker 7:23
Yeah. And isn't that amazing for me, like, when we set out on this journey to do this podcast, right? We were, we said, Look, part of why we're doing this is we want to learn, because we are both on our own journeys in terms of where we're going professionally. And so what are other people doing?
Yeah, and the fact that we're seeing consistent threads with most of our guests about the same things we're struggling with, right? To me, there's this validity. Okay, wait a minute. The fact that I don't know sometimes what to do with that emotion, but I see what other people have done with it. I'm like, Okay, well, if they did that, and they have found fulfillment, they have found joy, then why wouldn't I try that? Yeah, yeah.
Stephen Christopher 8:16
Yep. Yeah, love. Karl mentioned that there's thousands of different types of bank accounts. And I think he was referring to him as like energetic bank account. So as we make deposits, those accounts grow, and then we can draw from them and use what's accrued in those accounts. So it's important that we're always making deposits in these different bank accounts. But he said there's thousands of different types of bank accounts and only one of them has dollars in it.
And, you know, 1020 closer to 2030 years ago, it was very common to only talk about that piece because it was so heavily tied to the larger your bank account is that means the more freedom you can have, the more freedom you can have. The more fun the more fulfillment The more you can create. And then eventually, at some point later in your life, you will Go and you would have impact, right? You would give back later. Well, that's not the case anymore. And we're starting to understand at a much deeper level, that we can have all of those things at once, and it's all part of the journey. And I know for me, that's super impactful,
Unknown Speaker 9:16
which kind of tied in for me to his thing. He talks about law a lot, which is, you know, what's your story? Right? And your story could be about your monetary bank account, you could have that be your story, or your story could be about Wait a minute, I have this rich life, because I have all of these different accounts, which I have really high balances and all of them, you know, however you look at that, but that concept of you get to create your story.
Stephen Christopher 9:47
Yeah. What do you like your to be
Unknown Speaker 9:48
despite your back ground, right, despite how you were raised despite the trauma that you experienced during your childhood, despite how what you might have done for the last 30 4050 years, you still get to determine what your story is going to be for the rest of your life.
Stephen Christopher 10:07
Yep. Yeah. And actually, that ties into another thing you said is you can always go back. Yeah. And this is another thing that we're starting to get to, we're starting to get this theme of choice, right? Just remembering that we have choice in every single moment. And if we desire to try something great, go and try it.
We can always go back, you can always go back and get a corporate job, you can always go back and do something the same way. If it didn't end up work, you can always stop a hobby, you can always move back to a different type of house or a different geographical location. But oftentimes, we get so caught up and oh, well, if I make that choice, then it's, that's future Forever, forever, right?
Unknown Speaker 10:47
And it's just not it. We all we all know that right? intellectually, we know that. But emotionally, we don't because we are whether it's Year, or it's a concern about being judged for what that choice is all those limiting beliefs cause us to be like, Oh, well, this choice has to be perfect. Yeah. Or else I'm not going to make it. But that's not the only thing that we know for sure in life is we're gonna die. Right? Yeah. Everything else. It isn't taxes. Well, you don't have to pay taxes.
You don't have to. Yeah, right. I mean, that's your choice you can make and are there consequences and can you change your mind? Of course you can. It might be really costly to do that. But you could change your mind. So for me the really the only thing at least as far as I know, is that you are going to die. Yep, physically die at some point. But beyond that, every choice we make can be different. It can be changed. It can it's not permanent. Yeah.
Stephen Christopher 11:52
So powerful stuff. Great. Cool. I think those are the biggest takeaways and I love the one of yours was Star Wars. Start doing more epic shit. Yeah. So I think that's one thing that I know. Maybe we'll continue to lean into together, start doing some even more stuff more epic stuff. Yeah, that was a really great interview with Karl that I know made me think about a lot of things and we will start to implement a lot more of those as we go. Cool. Awesome.
All right, everybody. Thanks so much for tuning into this episode of connect the dots where we recap what we learned and what we're putting into place with the interview from Karl Dettman. Make sure to stay tuned for the next episode of the exciting unknown podcast and until next time, embrace the exciting unknown.